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  the watchtower in the uk

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower in the uk are expecting volunters in the uk to travel many 100s of miles for a days work either skilled or unskilled in the new bethel at chelmsford;from edinborough in scotland its almost a 800 mile roundtrip.

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  Lost in the fog

  And the volunteers have to be able to stand up on their feet all day.

  Sort of sounds more like a punishment.

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  April 2018 Watchtower

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here's a few little gems from the latest watchtower.. 5 many today think that to be truly free, they must be able to do anything and everything they want to do, regardless of the consequences.. this statement is just ridiculous, any normal functioning individual understands the necessity for restrictions, for their own protection and justice as well as for others.

  it's a very childish statement with no substantiation and written only to create a perception in jw minds of how worldly people are selfish to the point of being reckless and unrestrained.

  they liken adam and eve's sinning which resulted in disaster as being like a pilot not following their designated flight path and make this commenthowever, if the pilot chose to disregard that guidance and fly any route he desired, the result could be disastrous.. this is a very bad analogy because when adam and eve sinned, they had already been forewarned of their disaster to follow.

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  Lost in the fog

  I have often thought of Paul saying to Timothy about drinking wine... for his frequent cases of sickness.

  The likelihood is that if Timothy had been ill a lot of the time he would have missed lots of the meetings.

  If his stomach problems led to diarrhoea he would not have been able to stand up preaching for any length of time either.
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  Cleaning up the Relics - How much did they use to charge for books, etc.

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry i wrote a novel.. i'm trying to clean up.

  of course, once you find a pile of pictures or papers, you start looking through them.. i found a small pile of magazines, mostly from 1987. some kingdom ministries, written reviews and a few 1985 -'86 awakes.

  i guess 1986 was the last year the magazines were printed in that pastel range of orange, pink etc.

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  Lost in the fog

  Haha.

  Reminded me of a stern District Overseer at a Circuit Assembly doing an item that the literature was "without charge" but this did not mean it was free.

  Charities accept donations and so should we, he insisted. Nowadays, the cart witnesses have big big signs over their carts, FREE LITERATURE please help yourselves.

  I'm pretty sure that most people dispose of it the same way as the junk mail which comes uninvited through the letter box. Bin!! 😁 😁
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  The Use of Hyperboles.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have often wondered if jesus deliberately used hyperboles to obscure his meaning.

  i can say to my wife that i will love her until the moon is no more.

  she well knows that i will love her forever, not simply until earth's nearest satellite crumbles into dust.

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  I have often wondered if Jesus deliberately used Hyperboles to obscure his meaning.

  I can say to my wife that I will love her until the moon is no more. She well knows that I will love her forever, not simply until earth's nearest satellite crumbles into dust.

  Jesus said, "and I will be with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." Did he mean the world would end? Or did he simply mean that he would not be going away from his followers ever?

  Likewise the good news is being preached in all the earth, and then the end will come....

  Since the number of people in the world keeps on growing the good news will never ever end and it is assumed that neither will the gospel's true message.

  If these are hyperboles nobody in their right mind would take them as anything else, except for the Jehovah's who honestly believe that if they keep on preaching the end of the world will come!
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  FINALLY sexual abuse among Dutch JW gets attention on national TV! 80 reports received at Reclaimed Voices reporting centre during 1st month

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  those who have been aware and informed have seen this coming.. of course it's just the beginning.

  80 reports seems to be only the tip of the iceberg.

  reclaimed voices is expecting hundreds of cases more.

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  Lost in the fog

  Yes a Dutch friend sent me a link.

  Probably the same one as already posted.

  http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/12/dozens-come-forward-to-report-abuse-by-jehovahs-witnesses/
  
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  Resurrection to Heaven

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

  just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

  zion's watchtower 1881, january.

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  CT Russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.

  Then the Judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of Christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.

  In truth nobody knows when it happens or happened. Just because the Watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

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  Zion's Watchtower 1881, January.

  "now have taken prophetic measurements and allegories together,
  
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  five different points seeming to teach the resurrection of the dead in Christ and change of the living between the fall of 1874 and 1881. Two or more witnesses are enough to prove any case,
  as a rule, and certainly God has given us abundant evidence. We are also glad to notice that all these things only corroborate previous truths, thus proving to a certainty each application as correct and causing the old jewels to shine brighter. The five lines of argument briefly stated are these:
  
  1st. The days of Daniel ending in 1874, at which time the resurrection commenced, and since which, the dead have been
  going in to the marriage.
  
  2d. The end of the seven years from that time, as marked by the parallel, of the end of the "seventy weeks" in the Jewish age
  ending in our year 1881, at which time we all should be in and the door closed, being the end of time of special favor to the nominal church before commencement of trouble which follows our change.... "
  
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  Pacifism is Morally Indefensible

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.

  in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.

  of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.

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  I think about the 10 commandments. The law said "thou shalt not kill."

  But that only applied to the killing of your own people (hence the whole cities of refuge arrangement) it didn't mean not to kill in general. Because the Israelites waged war against all the inhabitants of the land. Committing some dreadful atrocities if the accounts are accurate.

  So surely if the circumstances call for it warfare is acceptable today?
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  Encounter with a long time elder. (Jehovah's happy people)

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i'm at work and go to my vehicle parked outside the empty property i'm working at and an elderly man comes out of next door and we recognise each other from when we were elders in the same circuit.

  he is early 80's in age, a jw since the 1960's and so the next generation in age up from me.. he's an outwardly jolly sort and asks how i am etc.

  (knows i'm not an elder but thinks i'm pimi) and asks if i want a cup of tea so i go in and sit in his kitchen for my lunchbreak and have a chat.. i have a little fish around and ask about how jw's in his hall are.

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  Lost in the fog

  If we'd only known that there would be a further in gathering of the anointed ones in the 1980s we could have all jumped on the bandwagon and be living in the luxurious hotel / retirement retreat that the new GB have created for themselves.

  But having learned TTATT late in life our health has already been shattered both physically and mentally. It's enough to make us cry.
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  Do JWs Still Believe That Everything Pictures The “Anointed”?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  it seemed like the society taught that somehow everyone and everything pictured the anointed class.

  is that still the case?

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  Lost in the fog

  We had an older elder who used to say from the platform that the Bible was not for the other sheep. The Hebrew scriptures were written for the nation of Israel only, and the Christian Greek scriptures were written for those who were of the heavenly hope.

  The other sheep class could see the principles but without the anointed class would still be wandering in the darkness of Christendom!!
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  2005 Big Announcement (Disappointment)

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember around 2005, there was an announcement made from the platform that in a few weeks time we would have to remain at the end of the sunday meeting for a big announcement, directly from the society.. i remember all the murmuring, people thought maybe this was going to be related to armageddon.

  everyone was excited, people were speculating.

  only the po in each congregation had any idea what was going on, and they were frequently pestered for information, but sworn to secrecy, which only hyped things up even more.. then the meeting came, anticipation was in the air, the announcement started, you could hear a pin drop.

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  Lost in the fog

  99.9% of the earth's population, "special" means "extraordinary; exciting; beyond expectations".

  Not necessarily. Special at school referred to those who needed extra help with learning. And "special needs" at the conventions mean the disabled, sick, and infirm.

  Maybe a WT "special announcement" falls into these categories as well.